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Forty homes at the Alton Bay Christian Conference Center in New Hampshire burned down today. The cause of the fire is still under investigation. This fire occurred on a cold, windy Easter Sunday. Is this an act of arson? Or an act of God?

ALTON BAY, N.H. – A massive fire damaged or destroyed dozens of wood-frame buildings, mostly unoccupied summer homes, at a 146-year-old Christian center on Easter.

The fire erupted at 4:30 p.m. Sunday, when Christians were celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ. But the season hadn't begun yet at the Alton Bay Christian Conference Center on Lake Winnipesaukee, and state Fire Marshal William Degnan said no injuries to civilians had been reported.

"Fortunately, it was at this time of year," he said. "During the summer, it's full."

It was cold and windy Sunday, and Degnan said the strong winds off the lake, the state's biggest, helped spread the flames through the many cottage-style homes at the center, about 30 miles northeast of Concord.

Witnesses said they watched as buildings burned to the ground in minutes.

"As I was looking across the bay, I could see 600 feet of flame lengthwise," John Lobdell told the News 9 television station in Manchester. "The whole entire camp ground looked like it was up in flames."

One firefighter was hurt when a propane tank exploded. Others were treated for smoke inhalation or exhaustion.

The fire was under control by about 8:30 p.m.

The center's Web site says its purpose is to change lives in part by "encouraging commitment to Jesus." It says it tries to accomplish this through evangelism, encouragement of believers and equipping Christians to be effective leaders.

The center, founded in 1863, is on the southeastern corner of the lake. Besides cottages, it features a 70-room motel and a park for recreational vehicles.

The chairman of the center's safety organization, Russell Sample, was with Degnan as crews from numerous surrounding towns worked on the fire, whose cause hadn't been determined. Link

It is very tragic to see anyone's home burned down in flames. Possessions gone. Memories destroyed.
But in any and all disasters, Christians would gather together to cope and pray. When this is deemed a natural or accidental disaster, Christians unite and say it is the will of God. Time to rebuild. Such a nice sentiment of hope!

I'm going to go off-tangent here (so rant mode on).
When any disaster occurred in a town such as New Orleans, Katrina or  NYC, 911, etc .... remember how Tele-evangelists would explain these tragic events as an Act of God's Anger?! These political Christians describe these tragedies as God's punishment upon sinners. It is God's rage over the moral injustice that man have embraced!
The moral fiber of America have decayed.

The events of 911 was a wake-up call that God allowed because America embraced abortion, feminism and homosexuality. Link
The California wildfires were due to homosexuality because the largest Gay population reside in California. Link
Katrina occurred because New Orleans was a godless, perverted, sinful city.
Wait, Katrina was actually God's displeasure over Ellen DeGeneres to host the Emmy Awards.

I can so hear it now, the next natural disaster upon American soil would be God's wrath because several States have passed laws to allow same-sex marriage.
This will be the interpretation from Christian Activists. They will be reading and aligning the next storm as Biblical Plague to Sodom and Gomorrah!

God is Angry! America must be punished! Repent or be destroyed!!

How incredible it is that we as God's creation with small, finite minds can understand and interpret the mindset of an infinite God?!
How foolish Christians are to say that this is God's wrath against a group, a sector, a value that they oppose.
And equally mind-boggling when tragedy such as the fire at this NH Christian Center would be viewed by Christians as just an accident and nothing to do with sinners and God's wrath.

Wake up America! These Political Religious Conservatives and Tele-Evangelists are using FEAR to mobilize, to create solidarity in their ranks and to gain financial support for their selfish cause. They push the theory that sin = storm!  And if you buy into this - I pity you!

Aligning natural disasters on America's political or moral values is illogical, ridiculous, and self-contradicting.
Similarly, it would be illogical for me to say how hurricane activity have significantly increased as George W. Bush rose in the polls and how these Red States being pounded by severe storms have extremely homophobic laws on their books!


0 # Guest 2009-04-17 02:50
Remember how the Christians got together and prayed for rain on the day of the DNC last year? They prayed long and hard!
They televised their call for prayer to dampen onto the national convention.
If it did rain, they would of course say it is Gods intervention and God\'s anger towards liberals.

Well, it didn\'t! And the Democrats won the election!

But it rained the other day on the National day of Tea-bagging. It rained hard in some states. Turnout was very small(and quite pathetic).
Hmmm - God\'s anger towards conservative teabaggers???!
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0 # God\'s RevengeGuest 2009-04-17 14:40
This is God smiting the folk of New Hampshire for gay marriage. Sure, it was Vermont with the gay marriage, and yes these were Christians, but I think God\'s needs to work on his target practice.
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0 # Real Liberal Christian Church Guest 2009-04-26 15:26
Oh, they are wrong, but so are you.

It is so understandable how you believe (disbelieve) how you do, given that you are conflating certain (most, if not all) televangelists with Christians. They are not the same.

Look, Jesus suffered on the cross. What spirit did it? In one context, it\'s God. In another, it\'s Satan. On one hand, you have one spirit in a duality. On the other hand, you have totally separate spirits.

None of this is illogical. You\'ve said it yourself in so many words that humans have puny minds. However, you are precluding a larger (the largest) mind being able to impart anything to the lesser. That\'s closing the door, isn\'t it?

So, do you want the answer to the ultimate question?

You actually believe that there is no connection between human emotion (flesh, spirit, and soul) and the total environment. You believe that nature is disconnected from human emotion/spirit. You\'re wrong.

The fact that a bunch of televangelist types got around and prayed for rain and it didn\'t happen doesn\'t tell you that Christianity is wrong. It tells you that those people don\'t know what Christianity is. Hypocrisy is ruination. They openly tested faith and prayer, both things Jesus clearly says not to do.

When Jesus asked them (rhetorically) whether or not they believed he could ask for and receive an army of angels, he wasn\'t kidding. He didn\'t fall to that temptation, thank God, literally.

Try working on comprehending just one verse. You\'ll have to cross-reference to get it, but it will be worth the exercise:

Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
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0 # Guest 2009-05-02 05:46
Try working on comprehending just one verse. You\'ll have to cross-reference to get it, but it will be worth the exercise.

For years, Christians have always taken one verse - OUT OF CONTENT - to excuse their hate and defend their acts of crime. And they are still doing it today.

Christians and the Church have used the Scriptures to defend slavery, promote segregation, eliminate women\'s rights to vote and to work, forced obedience on women, enhance civil inequality, create new cults, etc. The list is endless and these acts are harmful to our civilization.

And the church is always politically and actively SILENT when another church or a fellow believer is violating scripture. But all of you unite and LOUD when it comes to Abortion and Homosexuality.
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0 # RE: Real Liberal Christian Church Pat 2013-04-18 12:47
Oh you poor soul .... telling the author "he is wrong".
You can't even recognize sarcasm if it smacked you between your eyes and kicked you in the nuts multiple times!
ChiMeng is mocking the religious right by using their own self-fulfilling prophetic rhetoric against them - he is being sarcastic! I read his piece and immediately i understood where he was leading ... but you and your response .....

Christians like you will never "see" the true light of reality!
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0 # Real Liberal Christian ChurchGuest 2009-04-26 15:35
[You have a comment-length limitation: Comment continued:]

Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
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0 # Guest 2009-04-28 02:25
@Tom. You just said it - \"those people don\'t know what Christianity is.\" Is this not sacriligious? Blasphemy? \"Those People\" are using scripture and the Bible to scare, to empower, to enact, to raise money - all in the name of God. And Christians are buying in on it!

You say you are against Teleevangelists and what they preach, but I never see Christians unite to counter and oppose these supposed \"Men of Faith\" and denouce their rhetorics. You guys are always silent towards your own \"believers\".
But when the topic is gay rights, abortion, same-sex marriage, stem cell research - I can hear all of you ROAR! And roar loudly!

In closing - your response above is just as hypocritical as the televangelists.
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0 # Real Liberal Christian ChurchGuest 2009-04-28 20:52

Oh, you don\'t know me. I go after the televangelists more than anyone I\'ve ever seen. I\'ve written and published thousands of pages against them. It doesn\'t get promoted by the mainstream media you know.

Anyway, why do think I wrote right here that they are wrong? However, not agreeing with them does not mean that a real Christian therefore agrees with what is passed off as secular liberalism.

I don\'t agree with the televangelists in general, but I know that Jesus is opposed to homosexuality and so-called same-sex marriage. He said fornication is a sin. Homosexual behavior was, and remains therefore, fornication at the very least. Why though is it wrong? It\'s harmful.

At the same time, he and I, since I agree with him, are not for violent coercion or any coercion. Homosexuals make their choice. We don\'t do to them what was done to Jesus.

Abortion from the real Christian perspective would never arise were it not for sin in general. I could go on here, but your comment length is limited.

Stem cell research, well that\'s faith in what? When you don\'t have the whole of humanity having faith but rather searching for artificial means, you reap what you sow. Jesus healed the sick without a lab.

The general lack of unselfishness makes the whole world dark and sick.

It\'s very strange that you jumped to calling me a hypocrite. That was unfounded.


Tom Usher
Real Liberal Christian Church.
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0 # Fornication is SinGuest 2009-05-02 04:22
Definition of Fornication - voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.
Tom, Tom, Tom - Where do I even begin?

Sin is sin in the eyes of God. And sin is NOT allowed in the kingdom of God! You have labeled homosexuality as a sin and called it harmful. Quite frankly, your fundamental beliefs have not departed much from those of tele-evangelists and political fundamentalists . \"Real liberal Christian Church\" you say - NOT!\". You detest Gays as much as any other Conservative Evangelical Fundamentalists - because the \"Bible says so\".

Man (as fallible as they are) have always be able to rank and grade sin in many levels. One sin would be tolerated and forgiven by fellow Christians but another sin will be considered harmful. Homosexuality ranks way up their as the ultimate of sin and harmful to civilization. But straight people having pre-marital sex - well, its \'not that bad\' and should remain private. And the many children born out of wedlock - well, God created these children from \"their inmost being, knit together in the mother\'s womb\" - just as long as they are NOT aborted because abortion is detestable in Gods eyes!

The hypocrisy is rampant among fundamental evangelicals and those involved in politics - whew! God save us from your followers! You say hypocrisy is ruination - well, so is your message that \'real\' christians and the conflated tele-evangelists are not fundamentally the same.

There are countless other \"sins\" committed by straight people and believers but you will never see Christians unite and march up Capitol Hill to fight and abolish pre-Marital Sex, teenage pregnancy, Divorce, non-Christian religions, Christian cults, polygamy, etc.

Same ole rhetoric Tom. Yours is no different!
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0 # Not Real Liberal At AllGuest 2009-04-29 14:03
Homosexuality = Fornication

If you still believe being Gay is a Choice - you are still living and believing a Lie!
Take your Sunday School preaching rhetoric elsewhere.
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0 # Guest 2009-05-01 15:51
Unbelievable! I don\'t see much of any difference between you Tom and those over-zealous, over-bearing, self-serving televangelists.

You are against homosexuality, against abortion, against gay-marriage, against stem-cell research > Guess What?! So are the televangelists and their loud message. The only difference between the 2 of you is that, the televangelists add alot of flair and scare to their hate-mongering (all in the name of God).

You Tom, just detest, quietly!
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0 # Guest 2009-05-04 19:10
Flair and Scare! Oh that is so the Evangelicals!
They put the fury into Gods Wrath!
This is why I left the Catholic Church! They were always \"Holier Than Though\" - until the whole pedophilia thing became public!
If they are God\'s People - I rather go to Hell!

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